Chamber of Justice Communique #038a
Let it be known that on this the 12th of August, 2013 of a free and united Brotherhood, I, the Justicar of the people, set forth the declaration of the Chamber of Justice and its punishment on Fremoc Pepoi. Upon the conclusion of fair and just proceedings, the Chamber finds you:
i) Abuse of Power - You did knowingly and willingly participate in and help organize a mass withdrawal from the TOR Guild while maintaining the appearance of Fist of the Brotherhood and Guild Master of the TOR Guilds. The Chamber finds you GUILTY, as charged.
Sentencing for the party is as follows:
-DEMOTION from the rank of Dark Adept to Obelisk Primarch
-PROBATION for one year as of the day of demotion.
-LETTER OF REPRIMAND permanently applied to your dossier.
-The accused may not participate in any club gaming during this probation.
-The accused must maintain a period of good behavior during probation.
Chamber of Justice Communique #038b DB vs Fremoc Pepoi - Justicar's Opinion
On June 22nd, 2013, it came to the attention of Archangel, Praetor to the Fist, that several members of the Dark Jedi Brotherhood’s TOR guild were in another guild. His first thought was that this was not a problem as these were Alternate Characters of members. He first saw one of Fremoc’s “Alts” and thought nothing of it.
In his duty, however, Archangel approached Fremoc using a Whatsapp conversation. It was at this point that Archangel came to understand the scope of what was occurring, specifically that Fremoc, and several other members, were planning to up and leave the Brotherhood’s TOR Guild with very little warning. In the Whatsapp, Fremoc expresses his explicit disassociation with the Dark Jedi Brotherhood and that it is his intention to leave it. He expresses his annoyance at the politics in the Brotherhood and his desire to escape from it.
On June 23rd, Archangel sent an e-mail to the Grand Master and his Deputy informing them that several members were leaving the Brotherhood Guild. He requested immediate action.
By the evening of the 23rd, Fremoc had transferred control of the Light Side Guild to Archangel and by 2 AM on the 24th, Archangel was in control of both Guilds. Archangel reported that he and Oberst had taken several of the rarer items out of both Guild Banks for safe keeping and that only one rare item had been taken from the bank by someone who had left. It should be noted that Fremoc promptly retrieved that item and sent it back to Archangel via in-game mail transfer.
Upon notification of these accusations, I began my investigation and questioned the members involved and determined the case had merit to continue. Fremoc's official resignation from FIST then came several days after these "exodus" events, prompting the charge of Abuse of Power to become appropriate for the Chamber to consider.
The Chamber convened, and Fremoc was notified of the charges. Shortly after, he had his personal email account disabled, in an attempt to keep the proceedings from happening. The news page was then used to keep him informed of his rights and his ability to enter his own plea. The required four days passed, and Fremoc still had not entered a plea. The Chamber then continued with the automatic Trial by Justicar and entered a a of t guilty on his behalf, as per the Covenant. Due to Teu's personal relationship with Fremoc in the past, Solari was chosen to serve as interim Left Hand of Justice. Evidence was presented by both Hands and was reviewed for final judgement. After an extensive overview, Fremoc was found guilty of abuse of power, and the sentencing phase began. Taking into account the act of power abuse, along with Fremoc's position as a trusted Dark Council member, a one grade elder demotion was deemed appropriate for his crime.
The TOR Guild treads on precedent breaking grounds, though we are constantly challenged with new situations on an increasingly frequent basis. Fremoc chose to ignore his duties as FIST when he facilitated such an exodus while still holding the mantle of power he was entrusted with. We as a club place our trust and understanding in our respected Dark Councilors, that they will act in the best interest of the membership, and to handle Brotherhood property as we would want it handled. Unfortunately, we are not so far removed from Dark Council members who abuse this power, and they are not above the Covenant. Fremoc's actions are not what we stand for as an organization, and won't be tolerated.
Signed and sealed, Warlord Taigikori Aybara Justicar and High Protector of the Dark Brotherhood
FIRST
WUT WUT
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, son.
It's a shame to see this happen. However, the Chamber has spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ill never understand why people do this. I mean if you don't like whats going on you can always leave without a fuss its not like they went to your house and beat you senseless.
I was under the impression that everyone left quietly. Everyone else seemed to freak out. As for the exodus thing it's not my place to decide upon the ruling however most of the people that left were Fremoc's friends from inside TOR and I could not see them staying anywhere without him. I don't really think they needed persuasion to leave. my guess is that big boys can decide for themselves.
Taig, thought these things were meant to not be commentable?
My guess is that it was probably a posting mistake. It's true, we would not want people putting their trivial and irrelevant opinions in a closed ruling.
I don't think the issue was people leaving because of Fremoc but more because he apparently encouraged them to do so while he was still the guild leader and FIST.
The peanut gallery is gunna peanut.
Yea, I just said that.
Yea, I have no idea what it means.
Crepes anyone?
That is only one way to see things. I was connected in TOR the day it pretty much happened. and every toon that exited the guild belonged to the main people that Fremoc played with. And that were on TS at the very moment. not anyone of them had an interest in staying there without him. And my presence in the Guild and on TS was a daily thing and in no moment he publicly said anything to anyone about following him. The people did that from free will and because they enjoyed playing with him. He left before resigning, yes, a minor coincidence that he overlooked (a mistake in his part) and that was used as in order to do the formal accusation. In my knowledge (I can be mistaken) nobody tried to reach the people that left to ask if they were influenced in any way (although I can pretty much guess their answers). It's a pity.
I think the point is that he used his position as FIST to influence these people. Would they have been as willing to follow Fremoc if he hadn't been FIST? Having watched things like this happen (or, not happen) over many many years: I highly doubt it. THAT is the abuse of power.
If people want to discuss this, could I suggest taking it to the forums or emailing Taig directly.
This isn't the place for it.
Also, do Journeyman Hall courses!
It may be true, I mean how can we expect for people he knows from real life to follow him somewhere else. How could i think of something so misplaced. It's not like close RL friends enjoy his company. It's most probable that he pulled a jedi Mindtrick on them. These are not the droids you are looking for. XD
I find this just hilarious, lets call it how it is. Taig wanted a scapegoat and he got it. The politics of DJB are absolutely ridiculous once you are in a position where you actually see them happening, several people in the TOR guild were only there to play TOR and after seeing DJB politics creep into TOR and limit what people can and can't do, as well as changes that frankly made no sense all because of DJB politics, Fremoc had nothing to do with people wanting to leave. People had been wanting to get out but had no place to go because they wanted to remain gaming with the same people, Fremoc had enough of the crap and decided to make that opportunity and people followed because they also wanted out, there was absolutely no, "hey leave DJB come to Dysfunction". People left to form it and then the rest followed. The TOR guild killed itself because of the politics here not because someone made a new guild.
Also, despite Fremoc giving back the rare items in the game I would really like for them to come back to Dysfunction possession considering all of the members of Dysfunction are the ones who got those items aside from Arch.
Also, despite Fremoc giving back the rare items in the game I would really like for them to come back to Dysfunction possession considering all of the members of Dysfunction are the ones who got those items aside from Arch.
Omg Yacks I love crepes. I want some with Nutella right now. :/
Necronomicon: Careful...
Yacks: http://youtu.be/DP5-qJSzDUg
I see your Princess Bride, and raise you Spam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
be careful of what lol
"I think the point is that he used his position as FIST to influence these people. Would they have been as willing to follow Fremoc if he hadn't been FIST? Having watched things like this happen (or, not happen) over many many years: I highly doubt it. THAT is the abuse of power."
If that title (which has 0 meaning inside a MMO game) was so much of the influence... then why do the people NOT return after Fremoc stepped down from FIST?
From my experience of more than 10 years in several MMOs: friends follow friends - unless the guild is quite attractive.
^^
Please, don't try to give this a reasonable interpratation.. The jedi mindtrick was a totally more logical explanation!
Yacks, I see your spam and raise you a coconut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImAGUVd8_4
Kaz: I see your coconut and raise you a badger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
And we come full circle to the Jedi of the Sea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc
Classic misdirection by Old Folks Home. Well played. I'm glad that Brotherhood resources were so carefully used in delivering justice. We can all rest easier and safer at night.
and I'm out after the Narwhals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reop2bXiNgk
I second Wally's point.
Just to clarify: Taig didn't "want a scapegoat." He didn't want anything. He was brought evidence which he acted on according to his job description. It's already a dramatic situation. No need to dramatize it further by suggesting it was personal, brother.
Not saying it was personal, saying he needed a scapegoat for the entire situation and Fremoc was convenient. I mean let's face it, the TOR guild is dead why wouldn't DJB react to it. This is the response. Also, the drama, that'd be on DJB side not on Dysfunction. The grass is not just greener, it's golden. Hence why this is funny. I suppose just hoping others who haven't gotten to see all this bull that caused people to leave get to actually see it. This post is just magnificent.
Hey newb? Shut up. Case closed. It's over. Rage elsewhere.
Seriously guys. Don't turn this into a rolling conversation about both sides of the issue. Like I said before, if you must discuss it, take it to the forums, if you have an issue with it, take it to Taig.
Don't make me whip out the Headmaster's detention slips... :P
Listen to the lightsider, now kiss and make up.
Haha I'm not the one raging, the fake "court case" is a rage fest. The only reason its a big deal is cuz as I said, DJB guild is dead, and DJB is mad about it. If you would like to continue proving my point though feel free to comment more about how I'm a noob and/or wrong. I hope all the newer members who aren't aware of all this stuff read these and get to see how DJB really is haha
The politics in this case started in the guild and was transfered over to the rest of the Club.
http://media.tumblr.com/d131f2f2d8a1d4e467480ac63b0cc257/tumblr_inline_mqq2joI3aY1qz4rgp.gif
Would you drink the ale from a goblet with a fairy in it then lick the foam off her?
It was the politics of the club telling FIST office what they could and could not do getting into the guild causing the people to leave, afterward I suppose you would be correct.
Is that a yes or a no, Necro
Necro, let me make something very clear to you. The "fake" court case is something designed to ensure the Covenant is being followed. Unlike other organizations on the internet, the Brotherhood, though it doesn't have to, has due process. Whether you like the system or not, whether you think it's just out to get someone, or make an example of someone, or find a "scapegoat," doesn't remove the fact that you, as a member of the Brotherhood, have a series of protections provided to you against a variety of violations. I'm not going to get into the "rah-rah-EH" blah blah, but the fact is that many other organizations won't come to the defense of regular membership if someone in that regular membership is harassed or verbally abused.
It's not a rage fest. Everything that is entered through the Chamber is taken extremely seriously and evaluated. Read the Covenant. It is there to protect you as a member of one of the largest Star Wars Clubs on the Internet. You don't get those protections elsewhere. Whether you agree with the verdict or not, everyone is given an opportunity to be defended, and as someone who has read several defense statements and arguments, I can tell you that the defenses are argued vehemently and objectively.
Also, if you don't like "how the DJB really is" you can always leave. No one is forcing you to stay and experience these "fake court cases." Before you thrash the system, learn how it works.
Rathus that's a yes
I propose, in the future, that instead of everyone posting new comments, we simply copy/paste the comments from old trials. All of this has happened before...
If I'm not mistaken there are rules against people who are in a relationship and/or married whatever both being in office, umm why aren't those being upheld?
You do realize who went to Dysfunction, right?
Yes, why?
Necro, what two people are you referring to? Maybe if you have a complaint/concern you should take it to the Justice.
That policy, as I understand it, was largely allowed to be ignored due to the hope that people would act like adults, and such complications wouldn't affect an internet club. Three (count em) of the people previously mentioned in this comment thread put the lie to that belief. However the bottom line on this whole matter is, nobody here (with the possible exception of Alaris) was privy to all the sides of this argument or case, so everyone here is almost by definition pissing into a headwind.
I understand the internet is a soap box, and all your mothers and fathers probably continually told you how special you are, but in general, you're all just acting like children and hoping your shouting reads the loudest. Thankfully due to the fact that nobody has used all caps yet, it clearly hasn't gotten out of hand, so how about we try to preserve whatever dignity we have left, and we just walk away, mmkay?
i was referring to Muz and his wife
but yea whatever i made my point and it's been reproven over and over so i'm stepping away
People are coming out and complaining about how bad this trial was, but there's only one fact on that front that matters: The accused didn't defend himself. In almost any system, you're not going to be found not guilty if you don't participate in your own defense at all. If Fremoc didn't care enough about this proceeding to give it the time of day, why is anyone else? Fremoc got demoted in a club he no longer cares about, is running his guild the way he wants, and the people that left with him are apparently happier for it. Do I think there were flaws in how this was handled? Yes, on both sides of this issue. But it's over, this verdict isn't having a negative impact on the person it was rendered against or the people who left with him. In a few days, nobody is going to give much of a crap about it on the DJB side either. Dysfunction will go on playing TOR and having fun, the DJB will go on with it's life and having fun, too. It may even rebuild some activity on the TOR side.
So since this verdict didn't hurt Fremoc or his ability to do what he wants in TOR (or of the people who left with him), why is there anyone that really cares about this? At all? I agree with Yacks. Not his delivery or reasons, but where he ends up is the place everyone should. At the end of the day, nobody got "hurt" by this case happening. Nobody isn't allowed to play their games or have their fun. So what's the point? Let's just all move on.
I think the time to make a point was weeks ago, back when the first news post came out that there was even a case on this - to your Consul and the Justicar or LHOJ, saying you'd like to offer your view on the situation. If the defendant did not reply to it, and blocked his email, then he clearly does not care about it, so he's not harmed or affected. It seems only two of you are. Two who have not done anything for the Crusade and only did TOR with them, or perhaps still do. So I don't see what stake you have in this, other than to wait until you could publicly make drama over it, just like they usually did.
And actually, I'm ok with members leaving a guild to join another, especially if they don't do anything else in DJB. That's not the point. If the Fist was unhappy, he should have resigned right away. Its not a small oversight, its a betrayal. But from what I know, that's only the smallest of the betrayals that he committed.
and now people with arguments that actually make sense come out of the woodwork. It's not the verdict that bothers myself or anyone else bothered by this whole thing. Its the fact that he had been planning to leave for ages and wanted to make sure DJB didn't get screwed when he left so he conditioned Arch to take his place and taught him how things were done because he mentioned months and months ago he planned on leaving but had no intention of hurting DJB he was just tired and wanted to hand the reins to someone else so he stuck around until he felt the time was right, Then did so. DJB freaks out, Arch acts like he had no idea it was coming, and then DJB rails Fremoc for trying to not screw them, Arch sees how screwed up things are and withdraws his app for FIST position. I think the fact that DJB went crazy is what bothers everyone not the fact that Fremoc was "guilty", who cares about that fact
Can't we all just get along?!!!
No, Malik. Chaos is our nectar.
A couple of random topics that are tldr.
We should not confuse Taig's desires and his position as one in the same. Why in the world would Taig want to conduct a trial that will lead to people flaming him and calling his character into question? Taig does not gain anything from this trial except for misplaced rants and the anger of a few people.
The point here is that Taig's position is not about his personal reputation. It is about upholding the Covenant in a manner that is defined as impartial. Our trial systems were designed by real lawyers with the goal of providing protection to both the members and the "Club." The Covenant protects us from the Astatines just as much as it protects us from the Mireis of the world.
Is this trial really surprising? This is a Fist staff that utilized their friendships in a manner that was inappropriate on multiple levels. This ranged from Fremoc's positioning of poor guildleaders based on friendships.....to Fist staff processing their own CFs ahead of the regular memberships.
Fremoc's work and interpersonal issues as guild leader led to Jac and I to recommend his removal over 9 months ago. It was clear then that Fremoc and his pals were prime candidates for the "Smoke Option (see past JST cases)". You could see it coming. The running off of raiders he didn't like (guys who were server firsting content) and the building of a cult of personality.
The fact that it took 9 months for Fremoc to plan an exodus while still serving as Fist is about the only surprising thing here. I would have expected it to happen last year.
So Fremoc, while Fist, helped establish another guild, Planned out his resignation, and determined to go rogue with several others.....and they used our DJB funded TS to do it (he wasn't paying for it). He did not share his plans with Muz or other members of the DC. I was on his raid team, they forgot to tell me we were joining a new guild. I wonder why they didn't tell me? I'm sure it had nothing to do with me being a former Grand Master and current DC member.
Holding a DC position in this club comes with responsibility. One of these responsibilities is doing what you can, when you can, to strengthen our club.
If you want to make a grand stand against injustice....then resign and walk away. But that didn't happen.
What did happen was a premeditated move that occurred with full knowledge of the consequences that would follow (our guild getting crushed).
The only debate is the punishment. A case could be made for the removal of Fremoc's Silver Sash; an award he received for his development of our guild.
The dead rises. Case is bullshit. If the ones in charge should follow the rules first, then their workers. We all know Muz skipped over that on numerous occasions as well as some of his other puppets. Good luck having a real gaming community without Fremoc. And I'm dead again.
^ Lawl.
Please everyone knows Taig never liked Fremoc but still that has nothing to do with it.
See above
No the trial isn't surprising because it was to rail fremoc lol
No one ran off the hardcore raiders they left because of lack of new content and also because the guild was supposed to work together not just focus on one group. I am assuming you are talking about the same group that wanted all the other raid groups to give them their mats so that they could get better gear to get through gear and would not allow people to get gear if they ran with them even if no one needed the gear in the core group.
Fremoc also did not establish the new guild either, no one determined to go rogue "with" Fremoc they just didn't want to game with DJB anymore because everything went to hell. Also you most definitely were not on the same raid team as Fremoc, idk where you got that idea.
He did resign and walk away, he took no one with him they are grown adults who decided oh here's an opportunity to get away from bull crap, i'm going to take it.
There was actually no expectation of the guild being crushed, hence why there were basically fail safes put in place to prevent it, no one expected DJB to throw a giant hissy fit and cause everyone to rage about it and then push even more people away.
Oh and also, as a former member of the FIST staff, i can tell you for a fact that we did not favor certain people for CFs or PoBs either. everyone got approved almost as soon as it came it except sometimes when it was a ridiculous amount, typically the end of the month
CFs for anyone but FIST staff members and their flashpoint/op Group only got rewarded at the end of the month. The FIST staff recced their CFs right after they had finished an op or flashpoint, because apparently only they themselves were important enough to spend 2 minutes on on a daily basis.
#60. W00t
/me goes back to Narwhal song
I cannot speak for everyone but I did approve almost as soon as I got an email about it everytime unless there was no screenshot or what have you
The majority of the time people would submit and then complain it wasn't approved 10 minutes after it was submitted, Seriously, give the FIST staff at least an hour or two.
How about all the excess energy being poured into these comments be directed somewhere more productive... like the Shadow Academy!
Couldn't focus on that I'm just typing when I have a break in my gaming like waiting for a respawn timer in Smite :D
Oh and another thought, Fremoc did pay for the TS server as well as the members in Dysfunction while it was a DJB server and also, the stuff you are referring to about CFs was not a FIST responsibility, its an MAA office issue, take that one up with them
Recommending CFs was the FIST offices job, not the MAA office.
Are you still whining? We get it, the big bad justicar was mean to your favouritist person in the whole wide world. Seriously dude, I'm just embarrassed for you at this point.
Can we please close this discussion. Case closed. End of discussion. Move along. Move along.
CF approval is MAA office.
Keirdagh isn't reading the comments and therefore argument is invalid
The MAA office couldn't approve the medals because the FIST office decided to only recc them at the end of the month...
DJK Necronomicon is poop pants. Poop Pants Mcgee.
I've avoided this thread because I have better ways to spend my time, but wanted to clear up the CF statements:
CF recommendations are the responsibility of the Fist Staff, and have been for as long as TOR has been around. The MAA Staff approved those rec's after they were submitted. Until around April 2013 Magistrates (including me) did not have the permissions to access and recommend CFs from the Gaming Portal Tracker, these were the things people got upset about taking a long time to process. Magistrates were told in the past to write recommendations for the CFs they and their group earned while gaming which is why their CF requests went through so much sooner. All of that's been changed and isn't how we do business anymore.
Enjoy your time in Smite and with Dysfunction Necro. We'll enjoy our time in the DJB. Nothing left to see here really.
I know it doesn't work like that anymore Val and I love you for that :P
Necro, I'm reading every one of your moronic statements. I'm one of the people who pointed out the nepotism inherent in how the Fist staff and your vaunted Fremoc would award his CFs ahead of the queue. I informed the Grand Master of it months upon months ago. I also know that the MAA's Office would click yes on the CF, but the awards themselves had to be created by the Fist staff in order to have the MAAs Office approve them. I also know how your best buddy frem's... thing, Kalia was appointed to the MAA's Office to act as a bridge from the Fist Office to the MAA Office, and hopefully ensure that the transition from the metric fuck tonne of CFs being awarded from CFs was seamless. I am also aware of the fact that she was one of the primary perpetrators in ensuring her, fremoc's, and anyone else deemed to be special and happy and fun by fremoc would get their CFs well before they bothered to empty out the queue.
Kid, you're about six levels down the ladder of understanding about every single function of the Dark Brotherhood when comparing yourself to me. So just one more time... how's abouts we try to shut up now?
Good to see you to yacko have a drink on me you seem to be getting cranky old buddy :P
Necronomicon what are Fremoc and Kalia saying now?
The big bad Justicar is my favoritist person in the whole wide word (#taigsycophant) and I still think this is pretty bad lol.
Actually they're totally absorbed in Minecraft and don't care about this. I'm just doing this because, well frankly seeing you guys get so upset about your entirely fictional club that has gone into the crapper is hilarious. So Keirdagh, about how Valhavoc confirmed what I said, as did everyone else, as well as how I said I was formerly in staff and couldn't speak for everyone. Did that just not register with you or do you just like stroking your epeen about how impressive your role is in this fictional club? I'm just checking
Round numbers.
Fuck round numbers. Traitors! All of you! Long live Mandalorians!!!
Please keep him going, this is hilarious! :D
This is why we can't have nice things
@Solari, no, we keep the comment box open for communiques.
@Necro, you place your hope in a man who has placed no such care in this organization from here on out. The system was built to prevent such acts of abuse like this from continuing, and the situation is so much larger than your love for the TOR Guild. The issue lies with his timetable and motive, and his lack of professionalism before his ragequit.
@Everyone else, let's quit feeding the trolls.
Place my hope in Fremoc??? For what? And what the situation is larger than the TOR guild? How? Aside from members leaving, meaning loss of votes, I see no possible way this actually affect the DB in a way that matters. Let's be honest here, what hurts you more the TOR guild or losing votes?
We get to vote on stuff? Why haven't anyone told me?!
We voted not to tell you, Mal
Curses!
I vote for cute girls
I second Rathus's vote.
I third that vote. Motion is passed. Necronomitroll gets replaced by cute girls in 3, 2, 1 ...
DJK Necronomicon come at me bro.
Talon, I'm totally using that as my next toon's name lol thank you
Also Tarax, you're what 6'5" 150 Lbs and underdeveloped? What are you going to do flail wildly at me?
Oh my God, you're still going? I thought you had no time for a Star Wars fiction club that was, as you said, going down the shitter? And don't say you're still around to make us seethe, because that's just sad.
Me and Tarax flail wildly in bed together
I think you guys seething is more sad frankly
I'm still not seeing cute girls in here.. BUBBS, MIRI!
That's the thing - we're not seething. We're just highly amused by how you're spending so much time here when you claim you have a life.
Hundredth!
This is getting more comments than an average trial in England. Love the newb DJK - he reminds me a little of Brianna from the old forums.
No one is seething? Take a look at some of the comments, pretty sure some people are seething. I never claimed to "have a life" but if you look at the time difference between my comments you might venture to guess I was doing something between comments aside from jerking off.
Well, you certainly have not done anything in DJB, so it seems your only purpose here is to tattle to the others. And I don't care about losing TOR-only people or someone's demotion. I'm glad the poisonous people are gone and outed for being selfish attention-seekers who caused drama and hurt others. The majority are happy about the positive changes put in place by better people in the newly open positions.
Hey at least my lack of contribution is still more than trying to cyber everyone in the club :/
...but Kalia left?
Psh everyone knows exactly who I am referring to, and but hey Yacks I can only assume Mayda tried to cyber you as well, did you shit yourself this time or manage to contain it?
Oh, I heard Kalia was spreading a rumor like that. Not only is it a lie, but I turned down several in CNS. I guess I'll have to have JST look into this after all, and your new slandering of me here also.
Oh really? Cuz there is a list going around with the names of everyone who you have attempted to or have cyber'd with and man that list is longgggg. But go ahead continue saying how if there was a version of cyber AIDs you wouldn't be the living embodiment of it.
Necro, you win this month's trolling gold star.
takes a bow
That'll do, kids. Locked.