Reason for no ACC extension

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Reason for no ACC extension

Greeting brethren,

There has been discussion recently of the battles that are underway in the Antei Combat Center. There are many Jedi who have overextended themselves and are fighting on many fronts at once, trying to help in the ongoing struggles of their clans. Their efforts are valiant indeed, but one must keep an eye on the full picture.

The status of the Great Jedi War does not only rest upon the will and direction of the Dark Council, but it is dependent as well on the standings of the Clans at the end of each subsiquent Chapter. Were there to be a delay in the ACC, the entire brotherhood would have to wait for the results to move further.

With the common interest of the members in mind, I do find it unfortunate that I cannot grant an extension. Antei COmbat matches will be judged as-is at the end.

Questions can be directed to my office.
Lord Cotelin

The reson I can't let ACC matches go past the deadline is that the plot for chapter 3 partially depends on the results from chapter 2. Any extension in the ACC would push back the whole GJW, contrary to popular belief.

Sorry.

I thought this was your initial plan anyway? Just to judge-as-is if they're not finished by the end date.
I don't see a problem with it, i mean if people do 6+2 matches they should have them finished in 8 days. That's 1 post per day. If people started a 6+2 match from the 15th July and don't finish by the 23rd, then i guess they weren't quick enough to post. And they can't really have an excuse of "no time", otherwise they shouldn't have accepted the match/es.

We get 22 days for Chapter Two. I believe the first few days had the ACC delayed due to sign up errors, but we still got 14 days at least. I'd say 2 weeks is long enough for a 6+2 or 8+2 match.
If people took challenges a week before the end date, then they should hurry their butts and get posting! :P

I have a question / concern about the deadline and last minute posting. Mainly if a member waits until 11:59 before posting and gets an additional post in which their opponent does not have time to respond to. Will the match be judged as is for example person a posts 3 time plus their death post but person b only is able to post 3 times and does not have time to post their deathpost, will Person A get credit for 4 posts or will will it be graded 3-3?

I had the same question, but the DGM assured me that they will take that very thing into consideration - per Jac: "It'll work out."

One would assume, considering the amount of chaos that ensured following the Third Sith War, that the staff of the Antei Combat Centre will go with whatever the ultimate decision was back then.

Considering enough people raised hell at the time, I would assume that somebody had the sense to write down whatever decision it was that was finally taken and accepted into the standard rules for the Centre for future Brotherhood wide Vendettas.

I can't say I can recall off hand what action was taken, but enough people had bitched and moaned that whatever action was taken was the one that suited everyone. It would be sensible simply to have some standards, written both into the rules of the Centre and into the Rules of Engagement to govern this.

Logic would denote learning from the past, rather than having the same problem again. Which is why I'd assume someone had the sense back then to write it down and amend the rules for all future Vendettas. If necessary however, I'm pretty sure what was agreed should be stored on the ACC egroup database.

While I share your frustration on the matter, there are two dilemas that are present:

1) The decision for the Sith War was NOT reached by an agreed upon decision by the whole of the staff, it was merely won by who complained the loudest.

2) Unfortunately, the heading at the top of the GJW hall reads "Standard ACC Rules in effect" which pretty much sh*t-cans any of the Vendetta guidelines, even if there was anything written about uncompleted battles.

A bummer, I know - but we'll just have to have faith in the powers that be, and hopefully not the powers that wish they could be.

And herein emerges the knux of the problem, the same one as people seemed to have trouble with during the Third Sith War.

People had this same issue during the Sith War that having Standard ACC Rules in effect overruled the Vendetta guidelines.

Frankly, that idea to me is absolutely absurd. Vendetta guidelines, for a SPECIFIC competition, completely overrule any ACC Guidelines.

That was the key argument with the Sith War, it was also the point I was getting at in my previous point, a point I would have hoped is written into the Standard Rules by now to clear up this kind of problem again.

Goat, if we'd had an active CM, it would have been worked out by now. No worries, for the next major comp it will all be in place.

As a judge and person who is working loads of GJW battles for the ACC, I can only say so much - with the new criteria catalog, judging is primarily (vastly) based on quality, not on length. While length does affect your chances (you have more possibilities to improve ingenuity by having good ideas and to improve language by adding detail), it is not a criterion of itself. Thus, the advantage of having extra posts is not as large as it may seem.

Battles with only one post altogether will not be judged on what is written at all. They will either be considered void or a default win for the only poster, using some common sense (if the only post is made 10 minutes before the deadline, it won't be a default win :P).

In case you are worried about being disadvantaged by a last-second post and are the second poster in the battle (the first never has this problem as he cannot find himself having fewer posts than the opponent), I suggest that you make any posts you make in the last 24 hours with special care and somewhat longer than normal. That way, you'll have a "half post" up on your opponent to lessen that problem.

I'm also going to clear up one specific situation with Jac in time.

~K

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